See the Results
The release of Metal Gear Solid (GBC) and Vagrant Story (PSX) so close together has sparked a few debates within the GIA. Andrew Vestal, die-hard Vagrant Story fan, and Nich Maragos, Metal Gear Solid worshipper, might very well have come to blows over whether Ashley Riot or Solid Snake was the bigger badass, had they not lived on opposite ends of the geosynchronous satellite.
The two agents finally decided that it would be up to the readers to determine which of the heroes was more manly. The readers have spoken, and the results are in.
by Nich Maragos
Advance agents are for sissies. | |
It's hard to see why you'd need a whole list of arguments to convince people that Solid Snake is more of a badass than Ashley Riot. Just look at their names. Solid: hard, unbending, virile. Proven. Snake: tricky, slippery, lethal. Dangerous. Ashley Riot sounds like nothing more imposing than a girls' tea party gone out of control.
| Challenge? What challenge? |
Snake was one of the first badasses in videogames. He's been doing his thing since 1985, which makes him much more experienced than Ashley. He can tackle any mission without special powers or magic; indeed, he's rarely begun an operation with more than his fists and a pack of cigarettes. He prefers to rely on his wits and cunning rather than killing everything in sight, although he's no slouch when it comes to combat--this is the man who routinely takes out Russian gunships and three-story bipedal death machines singlehandedly.
I wish I could get away with this. | |
Years of doing this have honed Snake into an efficient, waste-no-time machine. In conversation, he's focused with such laserlike intensity on his mission that any attempt at protest or digression will be quickly cut off and corrected. Got misgivings about your responsibilities? Snake doesn't care. Having regrets about the past? Snake doesn't care. Broken leg? Missing hand? Tight butt? Well ... maybe Snake would care about that last one.
| No one ever says this to Ashley Riot. |
Okay, he definitely would. No matter how few hours are left until the terrorists' deadline, Snake always has time to hit on his female field contact. Or his female radar expert. Or the female medical supervisor. Or, for that matter, any woman in sight. Where you or I would probably just be slapped and earn a reputation as a chauvinist, Snake wins every time.
That about sums it up. | |
Even his enemies respect and admire him. "In battle," notes Vulcan Raven, "he is as if possessed by a demon." "You are a highly skilled warrior," compliments Psycho Mantis. Even Liquid briefly comments upon the seeming futility of what he's trying to do, acknowledging that Snake has all the dominant warrior traits found in the human genome. This is later shown to be a mistake, but who would you call a bigger badass--the perfect soldier, or the man who defeats that perfect soldier? Smarter, stronger, colder, and with a much better haircut, Snake would beat the tar out of Ashley and then be too stoic to laugh about it afterwards.
by Andrew Vestal
| This isn't just talk. He really is. |
My distinguished colleague has made the fatal mistake of assaulting Ashley Riot's first name. Has he forgotten the badass who would wipe the floor with Snake and Riot? I speak of none other than Bruce Campbell's immortal Ashley J. Williams, or "Ash" for short. And while he worked in housewares, Riot (as most people call him) is an elite member of an special forces unit with a 30% survival rate. But Riot comes back every time, because he's that good. And an overtly phallic name like "Solid Snake" is a bit too obvious cover for other ... shortcomings. Snake's women habitually leave him before the next game starts, forever unsatisfied.
That means no pierced-lip pansies. | |
Riot's arsenal easily tops Snake's. Any pansy can point an automated weapon in an opponent's vague direction and pull a trigger, but it takes a real man to cleave an opponent in two with a great axe or lacerate their body with a series of agile dagger swipes. His brutal efficiency leaves no time for childhood sob stories; when Ashley offs someone, they stay dead. And Snake's girly slaps can only hope to knock out a guard for a few seconds. Ashley's fists kill men dead.
| This is how he treats someone on his side. |
In the middle of life-and-death situations, Snake spends more time on the phone than a giggling middle-schooler. He can't cross the street without calling Campbell and asking permission first. Ashley Riot works alone: no whiny nature boys, no pacifist commies, and most of all no Otacon. As a Riskbreaker, he starts his missions alone and finishes them alone. Not because he's a loner, but because he kills anyone--friend or foe--who gets in his way.
Calloooo, nurse! | |
Unless, of course, that person is an attractive woman. Ashley is more than willing to go out of his way to save an hottie like Callo Merlose, and he'll forever venerate the memory of his beautiful, slain wife. But he doesn't waste time flirting. As a single-minded killing machine who has "locked away [his] soul," he's too busy being a badass to make time for extracurricular activities.
| Well, duh. |
If you want a "badass" who spends his time sulking in shadows, hiding from his opponents, and preaching non-violence, then Solid Snake is your man. But if you want a hero who thirsts for battle, isn't afraid to fight, and always emerges victorious, then the choice is clear: Ashley Riot.
The Results
In the end, of course, there could be only one. Everyone knows the best way to determine relative badassity is to pit the two in question against each other in a fight to the finish. Our winner Edward LaRusic has done this, and shown enough economy of style in his recounting of the fight that one might consider the man something of a badass himself. Here it is:
The winner (Edward LaRusic) |
Round 1: Both combatants square off against each other. Solid Snake lights
a cigarette, Ashley cleans the blood off his blade.
Round 2: Solid Snake finishes his cigar. Ashley charges with all his fury.
Snake hides in a box. Ashley gets confused as he wonders where Snake went.
Round 7: Ashley's still looking for the master of stealth.
Round 8: Snake emerges form the box, behind Ashley, and with a swift hand
movement cracks his neck, killing him instantly.
Round 9: Snake starts to make love to Callo Merlose.
Round 73: Both Snake and Callo light a cigarette.
-Edward LaRusic
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Edward's was far from the only intriguing entry, though. Here are some favorite excerpts from the runners-up, as well as some just plain weird examples of reasoning:
IN DEFENSE OF
You try crawling through ventilation ducts and come out smelling like roses |
Solid Snake is the most obvious bad ass because his ass stinks. His ass
defines bad. There is no good in Snake's ass at all. My ass is nice,
Snake's ass isn't, it's that simple. Because Snake's ass is so bad he should
win the contest.
--JellyJell0boy
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A strong man doesn't need to see the screen |
Anybody who can put up a decent fight while blinded with the
truly damnable expletive "HIDEO" painted across his field of vision in
glowing green letters is infinitely more badass than some effeminate little
schoolgirl in the great effeminate Square tradition of great effeminate male
leads.
--Richard Tan
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He has a way with words |
... then we have Paisley Riot, who is not only featured in a game with Wristbreakers (if
you know what I mean), but in no way could win in a fight, hand-to-hand or otherwise ... Snake is a bigger badass than IGN is full of it.
--Steve Penninipede
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Go U.S.A.! |
I think this argument can easily come down to who would you rather have save
your life? The fruity piece of Euro-trash in Ashley Riot, or the man who has
the Red, White, and Blue, the colors that NEVER run, flowing through his
veins, in Solid Snake? I believe the answer is obvious.
Besides, when it comes down to the bottom line, Ashley Riot will forever be
bringing a knife to a gun fight.
--El Smasho
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But can he turn Ashley straight again? |
Then again, later on, he decides to begin flirting with that
soldier, and, well, he's such a badass that even she's coming on to him, and
she's supposed to be trained to be a dyke. That's right, Solid Snake, with
the power to turn women straight again.
--EyeWilEatU
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Nintendo of America was right all along |
I guess, if I have to narrow it down, I would say I like Snake more for one reason: HE SMOKES!! It's not that I smoke, but Snake seems really cool when you know he does.
--Kavlatchie
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And finally, there was AquaFina4Life's entry, which was too long to include in the running but was far too creative to go ignored: American Bad Ass - Solid Snake edition.
But don't think that Ashley Riot went undefended. While our favorite entry was praise for Solid Snake, in the end, more readers spoke out in defense of Ashley Riot. Here's what you had to say about the world's most fearless Riskbreaker (and a certain Fox Hound member):
IN DEFENSE OF
The kind of guy you take home to mom |
Ashley ... can use magic, he's a snappy dresser, and he
doesn't feel the need to name himself after his penis. He's got good
hair, he doesn't smoke, he kicks ass and
takes names, he doesn't use or need advanced technology or people calling
him every five minutes to tell him what to do. He knows what it means
to truly be a lone wolf, and he can handle it.
--Elanya
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I'm surprised he didn't call collect |
I'm surprised they did not give you the option of
calling [Solid Snake's] Mom during the game. Ashley is independent, he works for himself
by himself.
--Jon L
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At least there weren't any Canadians. |
Ashley Riot is the King of Badassdom. Ashley Riot is a hell-forged
dungeon master, filling enemies with fear before scattering their pieces in
the mud. Not only does this man have to deal with goblins, zombies, dragons
and demons, he's from the Middle Ages. He's got the Black Death, the Spanish
Inquisition, and obnoxious French people to reckon with. Solid Snake's worst
fear is a bunch of genetically enhanced freak show dropouts and piles of
scrap metal. Hell, Snake was actually RETIRED. Would Riot retire? Only if
dead!
--Wally Wiggins
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And he wouldn't watch while it died |
I dunno, something about working for a government that can't keep its hands on a gear for one measly transport mission again and again makes you wonder whats wrong with [Solid Snake]. Ashley would probably kill such a government.
--XZelIDiX
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Ashley Riot is ... a jam and mayonnaise sandwich? |
he is a complete badass squared with hellmans on top.
you'd think after the ending of MGS for the psx, Snake would come back wearing hippie shirts and flash peace signs at the guards. Riot is the jam.
--Mark Freeman
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Sing to the tune of your favorite patriotic hymn |
ashley, ashley, ashley.
he is the person i vote foooooooooor
ashley, ashley, ashley.
i will vote forever moooooooooooooore
...
--ferricide
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I couldn't have said it better myself |
Ashley Riot would crush Sissy Snake
--MiLKdUDs99
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Censored, but funny |
Solid Snake is a [happy piece of kindling] in just about every way imaginable. When he's not
whining like a wuss ("My arm hurts") or running like a pansy, he spends his
free time talking to himself ("A surveillance camera?") and thinking about
"how to live" (at the end). Who can forget the one line that wrecks
Konami's masterpiece? "Let's enjoy life." What a [happy piece of kindling]. A badass
would have said, "Let's blow up some more things and smoke some cigarettes."
--Cycalc Productions
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Ashley has a long-form entry in his defense, too. But instead of lyrical rap, Ashley gets a pie-eating contest.
Not everyone chose Snake or Ashley, however. A few lone wolves struck out into uncharted write-in territory, believing that their badass could best even our two in battle. Here are some of the more creative "non-traditional" entries.
IN DEFENSE OF
Of course, EVERYONE suggested The Man |
I will argue not with an answer, but with a question.
Who would best Gilgamesh in battle, Ashley Riot or Solid Snake?
-~Ian P.
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Ro-bots! Ingenious! |
The clear fact is, both men are outstanding in the field of badassology. But
we forget the third, possibly truer badass of them all, Megaman.
Who else can wear blue underwear on the outside and get away with it? Who
else can make a dorky sounding weapon like the Danger Wrap a feared
implement of destruction? And come on, let's face it, neither man has the
wonderdog Rush, whilst our blue friend does.
Also, even though he has a girly voice in nearly every non-Legends Megaman
game, by the time the bosses are through laughing at it, he's already killed
'em 6 times before they hit the ground. Both Snake and Riot have their merits, but
it's the Blue Bomber that wins.
--Bryan, The Amateur Cartoonist
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Slicing the Gordian knot |
Solid Snake. The ultimate in tactical espionage. Ashley Riot. He –IS- the
reinforcements. Who’s the bigger badass..? Well, obviously, the two are
totally different, so there’s only one possible answer. Ashley is to have a
sex change (He –does- have the girl name thang goin’ on, not to mention long
hair.) and Snake would apply his mad suave skills on Ashley. The resulting
child, would be THE badass. A badass who could hide from danger, only to go
on a beserker killing spree when found, with the ability to take out entire
armies of perfect soldiers. His name? Solid Riot.
--Tory "Jynx" Maki
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Okay. Whatever. |
I'd have to say Mario is
the biggest bad-ass of them all...
With a mean jump and that giant mustache, the overall-wearing plumber is
the greatest hero to ever make a video game.
So, sorry guys. Mario is the winner in my books.
--Tim Disen
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Nich and Andrew would like to thank everyone who entered the contest; we enjoyed reading the entries. May you be a badass in whatever you do in life!
Feature by by Andrew Vestal and Nich Maragos, GIA.
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