The Great VIII Debate rages on - September 27th, 1999 - Drew Cosner
Disclaimer: The opinions expressed within this column are those of the participants and the moderator, and do not neccessarily reflect those of the GIA. There is coarse language and potentially offensive material afoot. This column is so damn sexy, you'd swear it was a page torn straight from the Kama Sutra. Don't say I didn't warn you.
WARNING: As has been the case for several days now, today's column is brimming with potential Final Fantasy VIII spoilers. If you've not completed the game, I suggest that you sit today out. The letters are not individually marked as being spoilers. In other words, read at your own risk. Consider this your recompense for not jumping on the bandwagon with your fellow RPG enthusiasts and purchasing Final Fantasy VIII the hot second that it hit the shelves of your local game shop. You are not a member of our elite clique. As so many star-belly sneetches to your lack thereof, we are above you. May God have mercy upon your soul.
Now that I've helped make 90% of the RPG community feel as though they're a member of an exclusive group of people, I think it's time to start the column. I'm always looking for ways to boost morale amongst the RPG ranks, I am.
A letter not pertaining to Final Fantasy VIII; don't see too many of those these days |
Drew-
Here's a question for you NOT having to do with FF8!!! I looked at both EB's and Babbage's websites, and I have determined that Suikoden 2 and Thousand Arms are set to be released on 9/28 and 9/27 (today) respectively. However, knowing that getting your release dates from websites (and the fact that it still says status: presell for Thousand Arms on Babbage's), I must turn to you, you pillar of knowledge. When are these games being released? And when will we get a GIA review? The speed I finish up with FF8 depends on it....
-ReigunRed
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Suikoden II is due to hit the shelves on the 29th, so there's not much longer to wait on that front. However, Thousand Arms is a different story. The game has been repeatedly delayed, and at present nobody knows when it will be released. Look for The GIA's reviews of both games within a few days of their respective releases.
I know that you really came here for the FFVIII letters; who am I to hold out? |
I thought that Ultimecia made an awesome villain. What makes her so evil is
that she would mess up the past, and start a world war just so she could
find a girl who would get her what she wanted makes her a real bitch.
Sephiroth in my opinion sucked. He was just crazy, there was really no
reason to hate him. Yea, he messed with Cloud's mind, but so what? I hated
Cloud. Cloud had too many emotional problems and couldn't even stand up to
himself. Squall, while still a jerk, is not emotionally messed up and is
very likeable by the end of the game. By the end of FF7, I could care less
about Cloud. But anyway my point is that in FF8 I care enough about the
characters (everyone, including Ellone) that I hate what Ultimecia is doing
to the world, and therefore, I hate her. I really don't care what her
reasons are behind time compression, thats really not that important. All
we know is that she's got "anger and hatred in her heart," (as described by
Edea) and thats just about reason enough to make her do those awful things.
Ultimecia would kick Sephiroth's ass anyday.
-Mattcat1
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Sephiroth was an excellent villain because he could have just as easily been an ally, had circumstances been different. The strongest adversaries are those whose backgrounds and history the player is privy to -- so that you not only know what is that drives the villain, but the reasoning and logic behind the dementia and the acts of virulence as well. When you can identify with the emotional state of the foe, the morality behind vanquishing him or her becomes blurred. Such cases encourage thought on the player's part, and that is what makes a villain of this type stronger and well-fitted for the more realistic RPGs that we've become acustomed to.
While the acerbic rancor of villains such as Ultimecia, or similarly Kefka, can make for a more than adequate opponent when worked with correctly within the bounds of the game's storyline, even being preferable by some, they just don't have the depth and complxity that foes like Sephiroth have. Of course, I'd have to agree that Ultimecia could kick the unholy crud out of Sephiroth. "Safer" Sephiroth never wiped the floor with my party as Ultimecia did. But, then, Apocalypse isn't nearly as impressive a final attack as Supernova was, so I guess there's always some form of trade-off.
A film for the ages |
Hey Drew,
How's this for an idea: they should make a Final Fantasy 8 movie, with Quistis played by Sarah Michelle Gellar. I could play the part of every monster she hits with her whip. Well, almost every monster; I'd let you in on some of the action, too, of course.
Any movie producers out there?
-King of Cards
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Hey, it's alright; you can keep all of that sado-masochism stuff to yourself. Just so long as I get to play the role of the man she returns home to after a hard day of smacking your ass with a chain-link whip, I'm cool with the idea. Start propositioning those film studios and let me know how things turn out.
You're going to get hurt, chief |
I'm level 30, have never upgraded my weapons, don't have Doomtrain, and am
on the fourth disc...
Is this a problem?
~Cowman
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That depends; would you consider getting the shit knocked out of you by the final boss a problem?
Seriously, you can still save yourself the humilation of defeat by levelling up on the Heaven and Hell Islands. The "island closest to hell," otherwise known as the "Hell Island" is located to the west of Deling City. The Heaven Island is on the opposite end of the map, slightly north of what would be a straight line from the Hell Island. Both are excellent places to build up your characters' levels, and they are also loaded with hidden draw points containing the game's best spells, such as Meltdown and Aura.
However, there's a slight catch. Every monster you will encounter on both islands is at level 100. Your best bet is to have somebody use Cactaur's Luck Junction ability along with a decent alottment of some powerful spell. This should hopefully raise your Luck up to a high enough number that you'll stand a decent chance of having Odin appear prior to the battle. Asuuming, of course, that you've already bothered to track down Odin. If not, you should go grab him first, because the monsters on these islands will cream you at the level your party is at.
Just keeping encountering enemies and running away whenever Odin doesn't come to your aid. Eventually you'll be powerful enough that you can face the monsters, but until then the Odin technique is your best option.
And now to change the subject entirely without any appropriate segue. Yesterday our good friend Mister Vestal pointed out many of the substantial hints which Final Fantasy VIII drops about as so many bread crumbs pointing to Squall being the son of Laguna. Quite honestly, I'm surprised that there's so much as a debate concerning the matter; the game all but comes out and says it in some heavyhanded and anticlimactic scene of supposed revelation. Well, a few readers came up with a few more supporting arguments.
The Squall and Laguna connection, part I |
I would like to add
some info that AV forgot to put o maybe didn't even
know. I remember somewhere within the game there was a
person (I forgot who, either Ellone, Laguna, or a
townsperson in Winhill said) That Raine died during
childbirth and had child! which is MORE evidence that
Laguna is Squall father!
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The Squall and Laguna connection, part II |
Please add this to the reasons why yes Laguna is Squall's father.
When you are in the prison, a moomba lick Squall and say Laguna! Laguna!
Moombas can remember people by licking their blood, which means this moobma
licked he same blood he licked a few years ago and thought that Squall was
Laguna since they have the same blood.
When Laguna pushed Kiros and Ward and then jumped down the cliff, it is
explained in the Shumi village that a moomba saved Laguna. Later, Laguna
tried to teach that moomba how to talk, and in the end the moomba was able
to say Laguna! So it's the same moomba, which means he did lick Squall and
Laguna's blood. DNA! Now pay attention when you play an RPG:)
-Phil
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And there you have it. Yet more evidence that Laguna is, in fact, Squall's father. Of course, another hot topic is that of Time Compression. More pointedly, why Ultimecia had it in her thick head to compress time, and why she was willing to go through such large efforts to accomplish her goal. Here's a few reader theories, along with a few other points of argument.
Out of time, part I |
I'll admit that Ultimecia doesn't get any motivation in FF VIII, but
this is explained in the game. After she's defeated, she goes back in
time and Edea absorbs her powers so that Ultimecia may die. Along with
those powers, Edea probably absorbed some of Ultimecia's
thoughts...enough to know that a serious threat would arise in the
future. As Squall notes, "The Gardens, SeeD, these were all your ideas."
So Edea never knew why Ultimecia would try to compress time, only that
she would, that these events were fated from the moment the dying
Ultimecia arrived at the orphanage.
That still doesn't make up for the writers' laziness in not giving Ulty
some reason for wanting to compress time, but it does excuse the lack of
that information from the game.
-Pilcrow
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Out of time, part II |
- Ultimecia wants to compress time so that she can prevent the formation
of SeeD. When Squall and Co. come to Ultimecia's castle during the time
compression, he comments that even in the future, the SeeD's are fighting
the Sorceress. Even so, she should be developed a little more.
- I did'nt think that the scene where we find that everyone in the party
knew each other from the orphanage was too tacked on. It's not a big
coincidence that they all lived together and later became heroes. They all
became heroes because Ellone needed people that she knew to project into the
past. Okay, so maybe it is a little wierd that they all ended up attending
Gardens, but what's a pennyless orphan to do in the FFVIII world?
- Ellone projected everyone into the past to help Laguna rescue her from
Esthar before Dr. Odine could study her. By doing so, she would prevent Dr.
Odine from developing the machine that allows Ultimecia to project back and
manupulate Edea and Rinoa.
FF8's help system defines a lot of terms. In it is an explaination
about what Time Compression is, exactly, and why Ultimecia wants to do
it.
Simply put, she wants to compress time because when she does, she gets
the power of every sorceress that ever lived/ever will live, although
life won't be so great for anyone else. This is much like how Sephiroth
was willing to let a big rock smash the planet to become a god.
Even if she otherwise has all the characterization of Zemus, she
does at least have a valid reason.
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As this letter says, the "information" menu within the tutorial gives a description of Time Compression which can be used to infer the motivations on Ultimecia's behalf. The definition of Time Compression reads as follows: "A complete mystery, various states of "present" are believed to become compressed. Sorceress' power from many generations may cross over to give 1 sorceress great strength. No one knows what effect this may have on regular human beings."
This would lead me to believe Nich's theory, which Andrew mentioned in yesterday's column. It would seem that Ultimecia wants to gain the powers of all the sorceresses to have ever lived, including that of Hyne, the original sorceress. Why she would want such power remains anyone's guess. But hey, she's just evil, and that's what evil people do.
Closing Comments
All of this talk about Ultimecia gives me an idea for tomorrow's topic. Now that Final Fantasy VIII is out and most have already played it through to completion, I think it's time to hit you guys up with a tried and true topic. Who is your favorite Final Fantasy villain, and why? It doesn't necesserily have to be the main opponent; any baddy will due just fine. A little hackneyed of a topic, sure, but it's always fun to speak your mind in a public forum, ain't it?
-Drew Cosner
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