Double Agent
Walking a very delicate tightrope, and praying - June 8th, 1999 - Allan Milligan

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed within this column are those of the participants and the moderator, and do not neccessarily reflect those of the GIA. There is coarse language and potentially offensive material afoot. Don't say I didn't warn you. :)


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.

AGAIN I run into a shipping delay, again preventing me from getting Lunar. I'm starting to believe this game is an elaborate hoax, the world's biggest April Fool's Joke, organized across international boundaries, executed just to piss me off. I've always joked that Ottawa is the land that mail forgot, but this is just bizarre. I may end up just buying Star Ocean 2 tomorrow instead.

In other news, today's column is dominated by letters about Christianity, religion in RPGs, and other touchy topics. Thankfully, almost all of them are accurate, well-written, and articulate, and pretty darn inoffensive, so don't be afraid. Everyone represents themselves and their views very well, as far as I'm concerned.

Speaking of Star Ocean 2

Greetings Allan;

Yes I gave in to deliciousness - I bought Lunar, on the first day out, no doubt.Good god I love it. I honestly didn't think it would live up to expectations, but I was wrong (happily).

All hail Working Designs. Hazzah!

Anyways, on to the questions.

1)Is there any word of Soul Hackers being ported over here?I know it's old, but I want it!I think it looks absolutely awesome, and the storyline sounds great.Unfortunately, I don't know Japanese, so getting it now is not an option... :(

It was denied US release by SCEA/SCEI, whom I hereby dub as being Poopy Heads.

2)Should I be buying Star Ocean? I've heard some hype over it, but not as much as other recent games.How long is it supposed to be? And is 86 endings accurate??

If you've got the cash, all reports place it as being a sound investment. I expect it to be the RPG sleeper hit of the year. Universally good reviews, good gameplay, and mounds of replay value. I haven't heard any hard numbers for length, but I do know the gist of the endings thing. I'm not sure if 86 is the exact count, but there's a lot of ending sequences to be seen in the game. Depending on which main character you choose, what choices you make, and what characters you have with you, different sequences will be played at the end of your game, usually ranging between 8-12 of the sequences for one completion of the game. Sounds pretty nifty.

3)I am a fan of Saga Frontier, am I going straight to hell?

Merci beaucoup,

~Lord Zur


Of course not. We've gotta fly you to Ottawa first, so I can personally beat you for being a blasphemer. Then you go to Hell. :)

Deals, PSX2, and FF8 reviews

A note to 'capkin "Doh" 29:' I recently acquired Chrono Trigger for $30 (Canadian!) and FF3us for (dramatic pause) -free--. Just so you know . . . there's hope.

If PSX2 is coming out late this year/early next year, FF9 for PSX would be terrible business since it couldn't come out much sooner than PSX2 is supposed to.

And a question . . . a while ago, someone mentioned that FF8 has been getting sixes and sevens from Japanese raters. Could you confirm/deny this? The only thing I've heard is that Famitsu gave it a 37/40 (I've also heard they gave it 38). Mind you, UGP Online gave FF7 a 56/100 for music, which, IMHO, is complete and utter bullshit.

-CS-


Other readers suggested checking out Funcoland for good deals on used games. I also suggest watching for garage sales, which tend to be great sources of cheap-ass games.

FFIX could be a viable launch title for the PSX2. It wouldn't sell as well as FF8 did, but Sony would be very, very happy to have such a clear-cut system seller like FF as a launch title for the PSX2. I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility. Launch titles can do well, sales-wise, despite the obvious lack of pre-existing audience base: Mario 64 made a pretty penny.

As for FF8's reviews, I'm receiving mixed reports. Generally, the trend seems to be lower than previous FF games, averaging closer to 75% than 85%, even dipping into the 60s. On the flipside, Famitsu rated it at 37. And I've seen scanned copies of at least three reviews that gave it 90% or 97%. So yes, the reviews are relatively low overall, but not universally so.

Same voice actress?

Allan, did you ever play Lunar:EB? If so (and even if not), I think Ifigured out where Nall's new voice is from. I'm far too lazy to set upmy Sega CD, but isn't that Ruby's voice?

Edge


It sounds the same, doesn't it? Well, Ruby was voiced by Jennifer Stigile in Lunar: Eternal Blue for Sega CD. Nall is voiced by Jackie Powers in SSS. It's just an uncanny resemblance.

Important clarification

Hey Alan..

I feel the need to say this to just about every Q&A guy at some point intime: There is a difference between Christians andfanatical/hypocritical Christians. The Christians attend church, pray,believe in the love of Jesus Christ, read the Bible, have faith, allthat. The fanatical Christians are the types that subscribe to'Christian science' magazines, buy magical Jesus breathmints, and allaround get suckered into things that they really should see as scams.They look for ways to get around the parts of the Bible they don't likeand refuse to see what they're doing. Please don't lump them in with us,all right?

Thanks,

BluesMojo


As an aside, I once saw Jesus breathmints, and I laughed my ass off. Yes, make your breath minty fresh with the help of the Son of God. What a concept. How did Mentos miss that one?

All that said, you're completely right, and if I put any other impression across, I apologize. That wasn't my intention. I kid around a lot, and that often confuses undue confusion and lumps people together unfairly. But let me make this clear: Christians are like everybody else. Most are normal, rational people. A small, sadly loud portion are the blithering idiots I take great pride in lambasting. Never get the two confused. If not explicitly said otherwise, always assume I'm poking fun at the loonies, not the majority. Most of my readers are Christians, I'm betting, and if I really believed all Christians were fools, would I print their letters all the time? Not bloody likely. Would I be concerned about being inadvertantly insensitive, and offending them by accident? Nope. But I do, and I am.

The only two groups I hate unquestionably are idiots and assholes. Everybody else, I judge on a case-by-case basis. Hokay?

Damned if I do

This is to the person who wrote the letter about Jehova being the name of God in Hebrew. Jehova is NOT the name of god in Hebrew. God's name in hebrew is (this is phoentetic): yud (hebrew for "y" roughly) hay (Hebrew for "h") vuv (Hebrew for"v") hay ("h" again). It is not a word. It is pronounced yud-hay-vuv-hay. The word "Jehova" came from someone who looked at it and thought "Aha, so THIS is how they pronounce the name of God!" It was probably also someone who hadn't read clearly enough. As a Jew, I felt I should correct that. OK, I've done my rant. Next?

P.S. Allan, if you don't print this, I WILL get Chrono Trigger 2 to come out. I have the power.


Though every Chrono Trigger fan in the world will now kill me for printing this letter, and thus denying them their coveted sequel, I felt we needed to clarify the Jehovah thing.

As an aside, I do think it's possible that Jenova was based off Jehova, back in the development stage. Accurate or not, it's a known name for a supreme being ("In the Latin alphabet, Jehovah is spelled with an I"), and might have been used with that in mind, just slightly altered. I do stand by my statement that it's been Jenova for its entire tenure in the public spotlight, however. It's not a mistranslation. The Japanese katakana translate pretty damn accurately to "jenova", not "jehova". There'a a world of difference there, and if Jenova did spring from Jehova, it wasn't simply a translation error.

Collectability

DA-

Digging in to my brand new copy of Lunar:SSC the other day, juxtaposedwith watching some news piece about the insane prices people are willing topay for original Star Wars toys in good condition, I had the followingthought: Will there ever be a market for original games in their originalpackaging?

In other words, will there ever arise a bunch of middle-aged guys withlarge incomes who, in a vain attempt to relive their lost youth, would paylots of money for a copy of Super Mario Bros. 3 or Final Fantasy 2 in theoriginal box, with the instructions etc.? How about a mint condition NES orGenesis? Or will the fact that gamers are more interested in playing thanowning (coupled with the fact that cart batteries die out) prevent such amarket from arising? What's your opinion?

-coldjones


There already is a market for that sort of thing, to an extent. Classic arcade games, classic games in the original packaging, and the like can often cost a pretty penny. Especially with the advent of widespread emulation, the collectability of older video games is for the hardware, the item itself, not the game.

However, these have limits. It depends on the rarity of the item in question. Games like Super Mario Bros 3 will never be collector's items. Nor will Final Fantasy VII. Demand sets value, and it's hard to build up massive demand for a game whose print run was as massive as FF7 or SMB3's were. It's going to be the smaller-run, unrecognized classics that will rack up secondary market value, as the Turbo Duo has done, and I'm willing to bet that the SNES Ogre Battle will be worth quite a lot on the secondary market before too long.

Sharing a Lunar tip

Hey Allan: I just wanted to say that Lunar rocks. And when you finally get the full version, I know of a cool secret game: pop in the "Making of Lunar" CD, and when it starts up, press---up, down, left, right, triangle, start---to play a really kicking, and might I add addictive, minigame called "Lords of Lunar", which is some new and improved version of pog. The only thing that sucks about it is that you can only play it with an analog controller, and since I only have one, I cant play multiplayer. I found out about it from some website. Apparantly, Nall tells you about this later in the game, but I thought I'd let you and the GIA readers get to it sooner.

Also, I got the Dex Drive a few days ago, and it friggin rules. No more buying extra memory cards, or hesitantly erasing old game saves to make room for new ones. I am hereby reccomending the Dex Drive, and you shall obey me.

-Some crack-addicted monkey who writes for the New England Journal of Medicine and dwells within Pat Bennetar's anus


Sounds like a nifty little mini-game. Thanks for the tip.

As for Dex Drives, they do indeed rule, and for our Dexy and delicious users, we've got plans to add a library of Dex Drive saves on GIA, so you can share your favourite and most interesting saves with one and all, and see what others have done.

"It's only a game"

Hey Allan,

"It's just a game." Now I never expected that, especially from you. "It'sjust a game" is the kind of talk from people who call videogames"Nintendo". To say that videogames, and rpg's in particular are justgames is the social paradigm that makes you see more fighters and thanRPGs I can't wait for the day when develepers seek authors and playwrights to make the scripts.

- MistaSopz


Okay, okay, wrong choice of phrase. I'll stop using the phrase "it's only a game" from here on in. The idea I was trying to get across is that it's very, very unlikely that any game manufacturer would actively seek to piss off a sizeable portion of their consumer base. Sometimes, when arguing about a piece of entertainment, it's useful to step back and get a little distance, a little perspective on things, and remember that they are intended first and foremost to entertain. Educate, enlighten, argue are all secondary concerns.

My assessment of the original letter is that the writer was reading far too much into a relatively innocuous and common practice, and that reminding themselves that it IS a game, and is therefore intended to be entertainment, as opposed to anti-Jewish propaganda. I was not intending to say that games should be stupid and treated as lesser creations, and really should know better than to use phrasing like that. Mea culpa.

Legend systems and Double Agents

in response to the unsigned letter regarding square overusing westernreligions... i was just wondering, how many of you are extremely awareof japanese legends? how many of you are aware of greek (alexander),christian, and goodness knows what other references? (odin is norse ifi'm not wrong) i mean, seriously, i don't think they're out to getwesterners as much as they want people to know WHAT THE HECK the stuffare... (even if i can't really link shiva, god of destruction, andshiva, summon of ice) see? i mean... well. i don't even know anythingabout the names of some katanas... masamune? masawatever? goodness.

anyway, i was just curious about the double agent system... gosh... i'mreal slow, i've been following the letters for so long and i -just-realised there's more than one agent... then i realised why it's called'double' agent -doh- bleah. so i'm dumb. but explain it? how do u ppledecide when to reply and all?

-LouisT


First off, yes, RPGs often draw from a wide variety of mythological sources, often making bizarre changes (where DID the Shiva/ice thing come from?). Another letter-writer noted that nobody ever seems to use Egyptian mythology in RPGs. Which is a shame, I agree. I mean, if you're going to draw on mythology, let's use really fascinating ones like ancient Egypt. Anubis would make a great boss, I think. I do give props to Square for using Quetzalcoatl, though. That's, what, Aztec? Mayan? Inca? I always get them confused.

As for the Double Agent "system", it's not that complex. It was originally named Double Agent simply because it sounded cool and appropriate for the secret agent theme of the site. Drew came on, doing the column on the weekends or when I'm out of comission, several months later, though you're right, it does make the name even more appropriate. Some day, we're going to do a true Double Agent column, with both of us collaborating on the column. Double the agents, double the letters, double the snide remarks.

As for answering letters, it depends. I select especially appropriate, amusing, intelligent letters for the column each day. I try to get any popular (i.e. stated by multiple letter-writers) sentiments represented, but also try and get a balance of weight and length. Variety is key. Beyond that, I try and respond to as many letters as possible, with an emphasis on requests for advice or direct questions, rather than opinion letters, where I usually end up saying "thanks for writing, ciao", which is kinda lame. I don't have time to answer every letter, but I try and make sure as many voices are heard as possible. That's the system.

Implications

That was a very interesting letter. Those concepts had never occured tome before. Of course, Jehovah is the name of the Christian God too, sinceChristianity has its foundations in Jewish faith.

An even more interesting parallel could be drawn in for the Cristiandoctrine, in that Sephiroth could be seen as the messenger of God, theMessiah, Jesus Christ. He died, and rearose to bring the world into Hislight. Sephiroth also died, and rearose to bring the world into the lightof the Black Materia. Then there was the final fight with Sephiroth, inwhence he controls cosmic forces and appears in angelic form.

I honestly think that the Jenovah name is taken from Jehovah. A simpleletter substitution was probably used to mask this so that people wouldn'tbecome massively upset.

As for the implications of all this, is Square trying to make fun ofJudeo-Cristianity? I certainly hope not, and I don't think so. I thinkSeb's got the right idea in that they're using it to just add more weightto their story.

But since I'm sensitive to the ideals of my faith (being a Catholic), Ithink I should watch this trend more closely now that I'm aware of it. Ifthey use this too frequently, or they take it a little too far, I mighthave to stop buying Square products.

Oh, and Square isn't the only company to have done this sort of thing, asBreath of Fire II has a interesting basis on on the Catholic church(specificly).

---TorgVega Q


As I said earlier, on reflection, Jenova probably found its original roots in Jehovah, though it's a creative decision, not a translation issue.

There was another letter that I cut for space reasons that brought up a tangent idea from my mythological resonance rant. Namely, most of us seem to agree that Square isn't actively seeking to do deep social commentary, but rather using icons and known names for effect. It's all in the service of telling a good story, above all, not an advocacy statement.

Your moment of Dadaism

Maybe there's people who get really pissed off when a religiousgroup tries to introduce their beliefs to them. Maybe these people arereally offended that people say we are all brother and sister because weall have the same Mother; instead of climbing out of some slime floatingon the ocean. Speaking of the ocean; maybe some of us get really pissedoff when we here about how some guy builds this boat to fit two of eachspecies of animal on to avoid a little rain. Considering that only ahandfull of people thought he was sane, the short amount of time he hadto accomplish his HUGE task, and most of all the size of his ship; manyfind it difficult to fathom the possibility of this happening.

I'm not a rep for the dept. of weights and measurements, but theEgyption royal cubit (Noah was instructed to build 300cX50cX30c) equals a bout .5 meters (.524 something). This seems like the properconversion. So in a space of 150X25X15 meters (heh, metrics), at leasttwo of every species of animal fit on this ship. I say "at least"because God said "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee bysevens, the male and his female:and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female. Offowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seedalive upon the face of all the earth." I would interput 'clean' as beingan herbivore, and not clean, a carnivore... herbies will die out fasterbecause they're what's for dinner. ;P How did all these stinkin'animals AND Noah, his wife, his 3 sons and their wives all fit on thisboat, and store enough food for everything for almost a half a year???

But wouldn't it be a great story if some meteorologist genius had aprogram that incorporated historical and realtime data to predictweather conditions and called it Geographical Order Dimenions, and oneday it predicted that in like a month there would be a storm ofcataclysmic proportions? None of his coworkers or people in his fieldwould believe him... and i think you can guess the rest.

See, isn't there some sort of warm, fuzzy feeling one gets fromreading a story that contains symmetry with something one can relate itto? And as far as storytelling goes; most Western religions contain awide range of characters motivated by different goals which usuallyleads to a conflict on a grand scale... just add midi, and viola!,instant RPG!

Why is it that the biggest trash talkin' guy always has a chic? Idon't get it. I guess chics just want you to lay the smack down orsomething. All you need to do is go talk trash to the ladies! Try "Gimmesome (for the sake of Christianity; input vulgar reference to femalegenitalia here) babe; i know you got it on you." This gives you anautomatic 50% chance at love at first site! You're already a total ass,so i don't see any need for improvement here. Just be assertive, andyou'll be loved. BTW; can i train under you and learn the ways of theass, oh great Assmaster?

Apologies for the length, not the content.

Happiness,

nash


My apologies go out to any Christians I've offended by printing this letter. Or women. Or atheists. Or Buddhists. Or men. Or...

Okay, I admit it. I haven't the faintest idea what the hell this letter means. All the sentences are grammatically correct, yet as a whole, they don't form a coherent thought or idea. It's impressive, in a way. I gather that it's intended to insult and/or offend me (the Assmaster bit is clear), but beyond that, I'm quite lost.

Closing Comments

Not sure how tomorrow's column will pan out. We had a surprisingly uniform and relaxed batch of letters today, despite the subject matter. As was reiterated earlier, not all Christians are gung-ho and ultra-touchy about their faith, but it is a very personal issue, and should always be handled with care. Which, as response to my past few columns indicates, I didn't always do as much as I should. I'll watch for that in the future. I'm not afraid to step into controversy, but neither do I seek to offend with flip comments. It's a tightrope, and I hope all of you understand that, even though I pride myself on being offensive, I really do make a conscious effort to be sensitive on these sorts of issues.

Okay, all that aside, I've got some work to take care of, so enjoy your night, hopefully I'll have *a* game to play tomorrow, and be back tomorrow for... something. Who knows, maybe the "will games be collectibles" letter will be the hot topic. Wait and see.

- Allan Milligan


 
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