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Is there a next generation? - September 30th, 2001 - Drew Cosner

Disclaimer: The opinions expressed within this column are those of the participants and the moderator, and do not neccessarily reflect those of the GIA. There is coarse language and potentially offensive material afoot. For God's sake, don't wake that guy up! Don't say we didn't warn you.


Well, one good thing I can say about ad banner revenue totally drying up is this: at least I won't have to see anymore of those stupid public service announcements anymore. At this point, illiterate children seeking mentors can just eat me.

I started off that introduction as though halfway through it, and now I'm not going to segue into the column at all. Suckers.

Letters from a sexy, sexy man

Drew,

Honestly, nothing out there has really shocked me lately. Even ICO, whom everyone is raving about, is a simple puzzle game underneath all the beautiful atmosphere and graphics. That's not bad, but not revolutionary. It's going to take an entire new form of gaming for me to really call something revolutionary. The closest thing we've had to a revolution lately is all the Music Oriented games, and then before that, just the advent of 3D graphics.

The most revolutionary stuff I've seen out lately is MGS2. Just playing the demo, and seeing the AI of the soldiers, that was incredible. I remember being scared as I hid in my locker trying to avoid them, and then they came up and started opening the door. Of course I jumped out and capped them. :)

I DO want a PS2, but I want it cheap. I'm waiting for all this other crap to come out, so that the prices will drop. Then I have three games on my mind. FFX, because it's beautiful, and I know it can't be that bad(as long as they don't F%^K up the voice acting), Silent Hill 2, because I LIKE being scared half to death, and finally MGS2. I know the PS2 has a lot of life still left in it, and hopefully SEGA, or some good company, will make a new 'type' of game.

On a side note, I'd really like to see some of those Japanese dating sims brought over to the US. They are actually REALLY complex, and not only do you have to know what the girl likes and wants, but you have to have dialogue. You really have to try hard to get the girl(which for me is kind of weird =P)! I'd like to see a port of that really popular Japanese series, Memorial.

-KTallguy


I suppose if you want to be cynical, every game coming out in some way builds on the precedents set by previous titles. But just to show how subjective our take on "innovation" can be, I was blown away by ICO, whereas I'm wholly uninterested in MGS2 at this point. Blasphemy, I know, but the game doesn't seem so drastically improved beyond the original Solid title to catch my fickle fancy. Whether sticking to the guidelines laid out by a title is as excellent as MGS1 is a good or bad thing, I leave to you to decide. The way MGS games are so obtuse in their didacticism doesn't exactly thrill me much, either, but that's entirely my own opinion.

Moving along, I also wouldn't mind having aPS2 for the titles you mention, in addition to Harvest Moon: Save the Homeland. You know, just because I'm weird like that. I'll probably wait until FFX comes out to make my choice; by then we should know more about the GameCube Mario and Zelda titles, so I'll be able to make a more informed decision.

As for dating sims, I just don't see how those could go over well enough in North America to warrant all of the time and effort that would go into translating them. They don't appeal to everyone, to put it mildly. Frankly, if I'm going to put time and effort into macking some girl, she'd better be flesh-and-blood. You could point out that I like Harvest Moon, but I only play that for the farming, so, uhm, there. Although props for the sneaky way you managed to work your studliness into that letter. I'm pretty sure everyone reading this column will be impressed.

He's feeling it

The first time I saw Soul Calibur in motion, it invoked in me a feeling I'd only had four times in my entire life. The first time was when I first saw Super Mario Bros. The vibrant colors and smooth scrolling made me dizzy. It was so very different from the bland, four color games of Commodore 64.

The other times were when I first saw Zelda III, Ridge Racer for the PSX and Super Mario 64. Those were the first times I had actually seen a game on the NES, SNES, PSX and N64. Those were the times I realized things would never be quite the same in gaming land. Those were the only times I was ever truly... happy.

-Makkuro, addicted and loving it.


Bringing up Soul Calibur only reminds me of how unfair fate has been to the poor, poor Dreamcast. That game was indeed the first "next-generation" looking title I'd seen. Sure, the gameplay was based on a fighter running on beefed up PSX hardware, but those graphics were and are amazingly gorgeous.

And, obviously, you can imagine how amazed I was the first time I saw Mario 64 running. I'm pretty sure the people at Toys 'R Us knew me by name with all the time I spent playing the demo units before the N64 hit the shelves.

Keeping things PC

Well, the "next gen" will never occur on a console. Take it from me. I started life hooked on console games, starting with Atari, working my way up through Nintendos and Segas, PlayStations..But I realized that "the next thing" was always on PCs first. And with the craze revolving around online gaming, it will stay that way.

Don't hate me though, I -like- consoles! I do! But even mini-PCs like the XBox and PS2 can't hold up to a PC. The price difference? Negligible, especially when you look at what else you can do on the PC and the price of console games compared to the PC ones. Gran Turismo owns me though *sobs*

-Conor R.


To be perfectly frank, and I know I'm going to get crap for this, I've never really been impressed by the PC scene. Actually, now that I think about it, Brooke will get crap for this since it's Sunday. This weekend gig is great.

Anyhow, PC games seem to fall into the same limited number of genres as console games, if not moreso. You've got your first-person shooters, strategy games, and PC-RPGs. Everything of late seems to be either a souped of take on one of this genres, or a combination thereof, perhaps throwing in online capabilities. And again, to be honest, I am totally disinterested in playing online titles. When I game, it's to get away from the world and the many, many assholes that inhabit it. I don't want to log onto some game where people feel their quasi-anonymity gives them the freedom to be even bigger assholes.

If you think I'm exaggerating about that last bit, ask anyone who's had all of their equipment stolen by a random cock in Phantasy Star Online, or been brutally slain as soon as they walked out of a village injust about every initial online PC-RPG. I realize developers are getting wiser and programming avoidance measures into newer online titles, but that doesn't change the fact that people are inherently jerks. Just because a guy can't kill me and take my equipment doesn't mean I'm not going to have to interact with him, decrypting 733+ $p34|< on the fly, to get a party together or the like.

I guess what I'm trying to say is everyone in the world except me sucks. And since everyone sucks, I'm sure a few of you suckheads will feel compelled to send in a sucky letter pointing out one or two recent PC games that you feel don't fall into the genres I've mentioned, but so be it. You all think you're so smart.

A convincing fool

I admit I'm curious as to what you mean by "Next Generation". I'm pretty sure that I'm a generation behind the times with my PlayStation in the basement.

I wonder if this next generation is really next gen at all. It doesn't seem that their is any real defining thing that sets the PS1 gen apart from the PS2 gen other then hardware capabilities. But when we look back at the transition between the SNES generation and the PS1 generation we see several radical changes. Cartridges out mainly, CDs in. Sprite based games out mostly, 3-d polygons in. big, noticable changes. But between the PS2 and PS1 generations? Only hardware specs. Numbers on a page. Sure they may represent a greater number of polygons on the screen, or a noticable increase in graphics, but so did the leap from NES to SNES and I didn't hear anyone screaming about the new generation in gaming then.

However, back to my point. The next generation comes along (in my mind) when a radical departure from status qou is achieved. When the primary art on the old system becomes looked down upon as "Old school" on the new console. When people wonder why they ever used the old storage medium. I may be a fool but I don't see that happening between the PS1 and PS2 or any of the other systems that are on the way.

~Scott, growing ever more convinced he is a fool, but at least he's good at it.


In a lot of ways I agree with what you're saying. This next letter brings up the topic of just what, exactly, is next-generation, so I'll just address your assessment of console transitions.

I'm definitely not going to argue that the PS2, Xbox, and GameCube are all basically more powerful versions of the previous generation of hardware. And yes, the transition between the 16 and 32/64 bit generation was a marked one. However, consider the transition between the 8 and 16 bit machines. Sure, if you wanted to get down to it, the 16 bit boxes were just more powerful 8 bit consoles, but look at the games we got because of that. You could say that Final Fantasy III and Chrono Trigger were just prettier versions of older RPGs, but I think most people would agree that they were substantially better than anything to come before them. And neither of these titles were possible on the previous generation of hardware.

I suspect that we'll get some neat games down the pike for the new machines, for two reasons, really. The first is that now most developers have really gotten a handle on 3D graphics, so they can devote their efforts to more innovative uses thereof. With the PSX and N64, 3D was a new toy, the proper exploitations of which were relatively unknown. Such is not the case now.

Secondly, as I mentioned before, we'll definitely see clever developers finding ways to take advantage of the new hardware to crank out experiences that never would have been possible previously.

What is this thing we are calling "next generation?"

Drew,

I can't really say what I consider the "first next-gen game," because I'm not sure what generation it is. Was the Dreamcast the first system in this new generation? The PS2? Are the GameCube and Xbox going to mark another one?

My point is, the concept of hardware "generations" is becoming outmoded and will in the future be almost obsolete. I know that every time someone says "Graphics can't get much better than this!" he or she ends up looking silly five years down the road ... but one does wonder. I'm certainly not suggesting that the current crop are about as good as things are going to get, "generation"-wise; I imagine that'll happen once games start to look as good as the FF movie. But I do think it'll happen someday, and just as you never hear about how many "bits" a console has these days, pretty soon the idea of console generations will seem like nonsense.

--Nich Maragos


I'd definitely agree that it's only a matter of time before we see the ridiculous citing of polygonal capabilities fade out and disappear. However, I think there's one other crucial paradigm that needs to change before we'll see the term "generation" drop off entirely: the five-year life cycle.

Consoles tend to come and go on a five-year cycle, barring a few rogue systems that come in halfway through a "generation," like the Jaguar and Dreamcast. Of course, at one time, you also saw generations in the PC field; the Commodore 128 was certainly the "next generation" in comparison to the Commodore 64. However, as PC hardware manufacture became more decentralized and you started seeing more powerful PCs by the week, the idea of calling a PC the "next generation" has pretty much disappeared.

I think the real question is if that could ever happen; we're already seeing new manufacturers getting in on the game every console generation, but it remains to be seen if the market could ever support more than 2 consoles at a time, or if console-buyers are willing to put up with the free-for-all atmosphere that the PC scene has become.

Aching wallets

Drew,

Please don't stop being you. If you actually had meant anything you wrote on that relentlessly fawning and positive column, I think the world would have stopped.

Today's topic... hmmm. For me, a new console wasn't always such a big deal. I'd buy it, and then wait for the games to come to me. Then I had to learn a nasty little word called "Budgeting". I actually had to make a list of games that are coming out this year, and decide which ones I will have to live without. But that's just games.

Consoles. I'm stuck on the line right now, wondering if I should buy a Playstation 2. It seems to be the next system I'm going to want, and then a nice, shiny Gamecube. I mean, I need a Playstation 2. Harvest Moon is coming, and though I may not have the system to play it on right away (there's that nasty B word again), I can't see myself missing out on any games in the Harvest Moon series... that's the game that's going to push me over the edge, I fear.

Sorry for not being as eloquent today, but my wallet is aching.

~arc


I feel your pain, arc. Trust me, I do. I heard that you can get a tidy sum for signing your body away to the school for postmortem scientific research, so maybe my money problems will soon be solved!

The next generation

the next generation begins with Pokemon Crystal. get ready.

-ryn


I'm trying to adequately brace myself, but cut me some slack; I'm only human.

Ranch!

Dear Drew,

You probably already have gotten this, but your ranch idea has already been done. In the middle of California, along highway 5 (The largest freeway connecting Northern and Southern California) there is a place called Haris Ranch. They are the largest cattle producing ranch in California, and they have a hotel, restaurant and convention center (for beef conventions I guess). The hotel and stuff is located a few miles away from the ranch so the immense smell won't detract visitors. By the way if you are thinking of getting a hole bunch of meat there cheap, they charge more for it then you would normally pay for it.

Now to the Topic. Throughout all of the next generations' of hardware (Atari, Nes, SNES/Genesis, PSX/Saturn (which I just got for my birthday last Thursday)/N64, PS2/GG/Xbox/DC) I have never really noticed a difference. When someone says there is a difference it is usually do to the graphical prowess of the system. Throughout a systems life cycle games tend to get much better looking as programers learn the system. By the end of the current generation games start to look like graphically bad 1st generation next generation systems. For example Donkey Kong Country was in some ways as graphically impressive as the PSX and Saturn. There is no one game which can be called the advent of the next generation'. This is especially true in the current generation.

Because graphics have advanced less in the current generation then in the previous generation, there is less of wow' factor involved when looking at new games. The Dreamcast which is less then the current/upcoming generation and more then the previous generation played a role in desensitizing us to the leaps that the PS2, GG and Xbox have made. The continually increasing power of the PC also played a part. The 3D0 and Jaguar did the same thing to us when we looked at the PSX and the Saturn. The only game that I could say would be Mario 64. This game is five years old and signaled the advent of 3d games, but there has still yet to be a 3d platform to match Mario 64 in anything except graphics.

The point being is that there is no game which tells us that the 'next generation' is here because that game's graphical impact on us has been greatly diminished. What will get people to buy systems are a multitude of good games, but there is not single game which I will shell out for a new console.' Instead I will buy a new console based on the multitude of good games.

-Adrian


Wow, I don't know if I should be impressed or frightened that somebody beat me to my insane idea. I will say this, though: I'll bet my slogan is way better than theirs.

Anyway, I'm pretty much with you on every point you make. I stand by my argument that console "generations" still exist, but software is absolutely evolutionary in nature. With the exception of occasional games like Mario 64 or Parappa, of course. And yes, I apologize for the abuse of quotation marks in today's column. I'd like to say that it won't happen again, but it probably will because using quotation marks around a questionable word makes me feel like a member of an elite clique that knows better. (Anyone to who knows where that little bit of paraphrasing comes from, impressive.)

Closing comments:

Well, another weekend slips away from us, it would seem. This is your life, and it is ending one column at a time. But hey, let's not get all morose here; let's mail Brooke instead. It's been said that modern life is one constant state of distraction, and what better distraction is there than that?

Oh, you want a topic, huh? Well here you go: barring Final Fantasy X, what upcoming RPG are you most looking forward to? Has the possibility of a Wild West-themed RPG got you all excited over Wild Arms 3? Or perhaps your affinity for futuristic sci-fantasy appears to be addressed by Star Ocean 3. Then again, perhaps your love of all things old-school has you awaiting the Arc collection with baited breath. Let Brooke know what you wanna play, and why. That last part really is the most important part.

-Drew "Prostitute Laundry" Cosner

 
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