Strange attractors -
February 14, 2001 - Chris Jones
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within this column are those of the participants and the
moderator, and do not necessarily reflect those of the
GIA. There is coarse language and potentially offensive
material afoot.
I'm drivin' a big lazy car, rushin' up the highway in the dark,
I got one hand steady on the wheel, and one hand's tremblin' over my heart.
Don't say we didn't warn you.
Two thanks to the good folks over at Penny Arcade today, the first for
their kind words and link to the GIA. I'd like to do the usual kowtow and
insist that we're not worthy, but... ah, screw it, we are worthy, we rule,
and that's all there is to it. Recognition from major cultural icons is
simply our just deserts.
Second, they pointed out some very interesting stories about possible
changes as to how games are marketed, which would make a great rant for
intro, but a better topic for tomorrow. And besides, it's a big col today,
so I need to get started.
Onward.
In the beginning... |
CJ,
Bad romances in RPG's? Dragon Warrior. Rescue the princess. Then you get
a question with a choice.
Princess: Dost thou love me?
Warrior: No.
Princess: But thou must...
Princess: Dost thou love me?
Warrior: No!
Princess: But thou must...
Dost thou love me?
Warrior: OH HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Princess: But thou must...
Dost thou love me?
Warrior: yes......
I know, limitations of the day, yadda yadda, but it's still annoying.
-JD |
I know it's cliche to ask, but what kind of self-image problems would a
woman have to have to keep throwing herself at a man like that? Plus he's
an Akira Toriyama-designed man, which means he's doomed to have his hair
turn blonde and engage in slow-motion fights for everlasting peace. Best to
steer well clear, I say.
Stock answer |
When I think of bad RPG romances, the first thing that comes to mind is
Final Fantasy VIII. My problem was simple: Squall was a complete asshole.
This guy is supposed to be my alter ego in the game, and yet he acts like a
complete jerk for no apparent reason. That part was irritating enough, but
far more irritating was the fact that Rinoa still falls in love with him.
So basically we have a love story about an ideal RPG heroine getting
together with an obnoxious teenage twit - not exactly my idea of a perfect
romance. Final Fantasy IX was really refreshing to me, not because I liked
Zidane all that much, but just because he hit on the attractive young woman
in the party instead of totally blowing her off.
David
|
Ok, yes, lots of people don't like Squall and Rinoa's romance, fine,
I won't argue the point today. Moving on.
He's very immature for
his age |
Chris,
Nice topic, easy answer. Although I haven't played as many games across the
years as many people in this column have (just been obsessed with the ones I
do possess from the past couple of years), I can answer your question with
two words and a pretty symbol: Justin & Feena. I'm sure this particular
example will be brought up numerous times, and so I don't expect mine to be
the special letter of choice, but I think that this is the most glaring
example of a "huh?" rpg romance I've experienced (not necessarily what's out
there.) There was a large, and in my opinion inapproriate shift during the
game, which left the innocent youngin' of Justin behind for the romantic if
awkward teen, without much explanation, and left no room that I could see for
such a shift to have occured within a person like Justin. There is no way on
earth that a child of his age and experience could be acting the way he did
in the latter half of the game. At least given the scenarios. Now....had
Justin been an adult teen (which, by the way, I think make fine heros for
games. It's all about target audience. Look at literature for reference.) it
could have worked. As it is, he should have played more the little brother
than romantic interest.
Lord Byron
(who thinks that the characters in Grandia and Lunar 2 are scarily similar
looking) |
I was actually having a discussion about this recently, and someone
pointed out that Justin's supposed to be 14 and Feena's supposed to be 15 -
but as you say, they don't nearly act like it. I had Justin pegged for
about 12 for most of the game, and Feena at right around 17 or 18, from
both how they looked and how they acted. I tended to think that Justin and
Sue would have made a good couple... in about 10 years. As it is, the
romance felt like it was shoehorned in just because all RPGs have to have
a romance in there somewhere, and it's never good to see a game bend to
convention like that.
It's important to
measure him against the competition |
I realize it's not always an RPG but,
Mario and the Princess. Sure he's saved her time and time again but c'mon.
She's royalty, he's a plumber. In some versions she's been quite hot, Mario
has not, not ever.
Then again compared to Toad and the other toadstools I guess he's a
he-man.
Y@
|
Yep... let's think about this for a moment. From all available
evidence, Peach's suitors are limited to a bunch of squat, helpless,
turbaned guys, a large lizard/turtle thing who continuously abducts
her and sticks her in some stone dungeon, and an odd, but human-looking
and fairly capable plumber. If you were in her position, who would you
take? I think as long as Mario can keep her away from other humanoids,
like Link or even Samus Aran, he'll remain her number one squeeze.
I'm not sure where
patriotism creeped in to this, but what the heck |
Chris Jones:
In yesterday's column you made the comment, "...[Teenagers are] too busy
just trying to figure themselves out to save anyone." I would just like
to mention that many of the soldiers in the enlisted ranks of our military
are teenagers (either 18 or 19). During World War II, you could say that
the 'world was saved' thanks in no small part to the efforts of thousands of
teenagers fighting for the allies in Europe and the Pacific. So please, give a
little respect to the countless number of teenagers in our armed forces still
actively preparing to be able to 'save the world' at a moments notice, should
the need ever arise.
Respectfully,
Eric Reichel |
You put me in an awkward position here, Eric, partially by removing the
part of the quote where I said that the occasional teenager might be strong
enough to get the job done. And indeed, there are clearly standouts of
young men all throughout history who have risen to greatness, despite
being less than 20 years old.
On the other hand, it's also the case that
not every teenager in the armed forces is a David Hackworth waiting to
happen. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to belittle their achievements
(they're doing more than I've ever done, I freely admit) but the fact of
the matter is that at that age, the military is valuable precisely because it
instills character and discipline, not because it
allows teenagers to stand tall and singlehandedly save the world. Insofar as
anyone did singlehandedly save the world in WW2, it tended to be much
older guys like Churchhill, who wrestled with dramatic RPG-worthy issues
like Coventry, instead of Saving Private Ryan-type issues like "get across
this field without being cut in two by machine gun fire." Both require
heroism, but only one requires true emotional maturity - the other just
requires lots of luck and a fast crawl.
A man who knows where
his towel... er, mag, is |
Hi Chris,
I read your comment about the speed of the modem vs broadband.
There are not any noticable differences during the game itself. However,
if your leader has broadband, those load times for a new player to join
your game are drastically reduced. Normally one can wait up to a minute if
the host has a slow connection, but with the BBA, it's rarely more than
seven seconds, typically less.
Not a huge advantage unless you're in a busy game with lots of
people coming and going. it has happened on occasion, and waiting for one
join after another can just draw the fun out of the adventure.
-- FireMyst => "Mysty", level 44, HUnewearl
PSO fanatic |
Thanks for the heads up, Myst. Somebody also pointed out that a lot of
modem connections are prone to disconnects, which are much less likely on a
dedicated line.
FF8 revisited |
I know I am probably not the first person to say this, but I really hated
the "relationship" between Squall and Quistis. There were a few key scenes
where Quistis let her feelings be known and then once Rinoa came on the
scene, nothing. Where are the violent battles between two rivals? When I'm
given a love triangle, I want BLOOD SPILLED! Otherwise, what is the
point?
Even if they avoided direct confrontation, I would have liked an expanation
of why Quistis was so blase about Rinoa stepping in. She seemed just as
determined to get Rinoa and Squall together as the other members of the
cast, which struck me as odd.
I'm not even going to get into the disgustingly sappy relationship between
Squall and Rinoa herself. I'm sure people will be lining up to rip that one
to shreds.
Washington Irving, hitting all the obvious targets. |
Quistis is yet another sore point for a lot of folks, but this time
around I don't mind making a quick argument as to why I thought her actions
made sense. When she initially approaches Squall, she's upset and
vulnerable over losing her job - she wants a shoulder to cry on, and
Squall fails that test. Badly. Quistis struck me as the most emotionally
mature of the whole group, which meant she'd be the first to realize there
was no future there and give up on Squall completely.
Rinoa, on the other
hand, was a lot less mature, and had other kinds of baggage associated with
her relationship with Seifer... she probably got a foolish schoolgirl
crush on Squall, but wasn't smart enough to give up on him. Like I've
always said, it's not that FF8 has bad relationships, it's that they
require a little more examination than we're used to in RPG world.
End of rant.
Don't all blonde
schitzos want to date Mr. T? |
My mind just can't get past the idea that you can date
Barret in FF7. Now there's a romance I can't see happening.
I hear it's a platonic night out though. Phooey.
-Davon
ps- I knew we had roughly similar tastes, but you somewhat suprised
me by giving exactly the same answers I would have in responce to mista tea's question. |
Cloud. Barrett. What else is there to say?
Who could resist that
tongue? *FF9 spoilers* |
Much maligned Mr. Jones,
Vivi and Quina. They got married, so they must have been in love!
....
*shudder*
- Mr. Nip (first comes looooooooove, then comes... wait, I know this...) |
Huh... you don't suppose that's where Vivi's "sons" came from, do
you?
*shudder*
His name's Cecil.
Enough said. |
This was probably Nintendo's fault more than anything, but the love of Cecil
and Rosa in the US FF4 gets my vote as worst RPG romance.
#1: Cecil was a male chauvenist pig with his,"No you be woman no fight with
me" OVER AND OVER again.
#2: Nil development as a couple that was interesting. Cecil and Rosa remained
the same throughout the game.
#3: "You haven't quite been yourself lately." WTF!!?? That remark came out of
nowhere!
I know this mail sounds silly, and I do myself. What I'm really coming down
to is Final Fantasy 4 had the worst English RPG translation of all time, and
EVERYBODY had bad dialouge. God, it gives me nightmares...
Adrian Ripburger (Console RPG players should be given kudos if they know what
game my signature is form) |
If you look at Cecil and Rosa's relationship as something that had been
ongoing for years, rather than something that's just starting up, then a
lot of that goes away - the overprotectiveness, the tendency towards
action rather than flowery speeches, the determination on her part to
track him down, they all make sense. Bad translation or no, it was a great game for the time and
still holds up pretty well.
And your name is kinda tricky... you'd really have to search full
throttle to figure that one out.
Travesty done right,
Genesis style |
Alright, I've got a definite stinker for you. It's a bit old, but I imagine
you'll be getting a flood of anti-FFVIII stuff to deal with, so a little
old-school wouldn't hurt. For the stupidest, most cliched RPG "romance," I'd
have to turn to Shining Force II, in which the hero ends up with a woman
he's never met before--an utterly generic, stereotyped Princess In Distress
and a distinct lack of personality--instead of the girl that apparently
loves him and has been with you the entire game. He even wakes up the
intended with a kiss. *Ugh* If ever there was a retread in the videogame
business, this was it.
Nick Z. |
Not having played the game, I'll take your word on it. Thanks for the
info.
Love blooms on the
battlefield, despite your best efforts to the contrary *MGS
spoilers* |
Chris:
Since everyone and their dog is probably going to write in about <insert any
Final Fantasy couple here>, I figure I'll choose good old Snake and
Meryl.
It ruined one of my favorite daydreams--you know the one where I am a
bad-ass superspy, heart of cold steel, go-to guy whenever a lunatic tries to
ransom the world with a nuclear enabled--by implying that some random woman
could melt my icy heart, just by making a nuisance of herself in my general
direction.
--DarkLao
P.S. Not really, but it was rather a stretch, I think |
Heck yes - I couldn't see what the heck Snake was thinking with regard
to Meryl, not when someone like Mei Ling was available. Heck, even Sniper
Wolf and Naomi were better prospects, despite their repeated attempts to
kill him. Love truly is blind, I think.
And just to clear this
up |
"Tomorrow is Valentine's Day, and although I can't
quite summon up the usual amount of bile for a "holiday" that's little
more than an excuse for card companies, florists and candy makers to
sell tons of useless junk..."
Let me guess, Chris, you're single?
-J |
Amazingly enough, no - I'm as surprised as you are, but I am not single
on this particular Valentine's Day. In fact, I'm so loopy for
this woman that I voluntarily wrote her a love sonnet, iambic pentameter and
all. (And she liked it, by all accounts, which is when I personally start
listening for Rod Serling doing a voiceover, given my history with
women.)
Still, doesn't mean I can't make an accurate
assessment that today is a marketing push first and a holiday second... but
for all of you lucky enough to be in a relationship at the moment, happy
VD.
Wait, that's not right...
Closing Comments:
I hope you all read that
IDSA document that Mr. Tycho linked to, because there's a test on it
tomorrow. Or a topic at least. Tell me if you have any thoughts as to this
change in the weather regarding M-rated games, and I'll talk to you tomorrow.
-Chris Jones, has his head in
the clouds, world on a string, etc.
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