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DNUO RSID LROW EHT - July 25, 2000 - Chris Jones

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If there were any doubts that Square is the proverbial 800 pound gorilla of the RPG world, those doubts have been quashed by this column, because apparently we can't even discuss the absence of Square without constantly mentioning the company. There's one heck of a topic hidden in there, but right now I'd like to take a look at an alternate reality, one where the last great RPG released in the US came from Konami, and Enix was still the unquestioned master of the genre.

Onward.

Triumph of the neglected
Hey Chris,

In the mythical land of no-Square there are a couple of worthy titles that might actually receive the respect they deserve. Think of it, how many good games were overlooked en masse simply because the FF games were also available at the time? Square or no Square, Breath of Fire IV and Lunar: Eternal Blue are at the top of my to-get list. Breath of Fire III was my first RPG -I know, I just confessed my RPG newbie-ness, but I lived in South Africa, so give me a break- and I thought that it was excellent. Sure the desert sequence near the end of the game is a tad tedious, but the story, gameplay and characters were fun. From what I`ve seen BoFIV looks stunning, and import reviews indicate that it also plays well.

Also, in no-Square I`d have a car thanks to all that extra money I`d have lying around.

Alex

I like this letter because it smacked me upside the head with the fact that there are several quality RPG series I've never touched because they weren't from that Polygon company. I knew BoF 1 was a Capcom game, and since I'd never played one of their RPGs I gave it a miss. Having skipped the first game, I never felt the urge to get into the rest of the series, leaving me ambivalent about the PSX releases of III and IV. But from what I've heard I'm the one who's missing out.

Furthermore, wouldn't the absence of Square imply that other companies would have had room to maneuver more in the RPG genre? Capcom and Konami have both shown themselves to be excellent producers of a wide spectrum of games - perhaps BoF and Suikoden would have garnered as much respect as Street Fighter or Castlevania. It's true that FF did go a long way to opening up the US RPG market, but perhaps someone else like Enix might have stepped in instead. Sorry, Alex, but I think your car money might have been spent on games regardless.

Rage against the DA
Yet again, something a double agent says on this site has angered me. While CC and VS are great games, you are ignoring some of the best RPGs coming out this year!!! I'd take Grandia II over Vagrant Story or Final Fantasy IX any day of the week. Also, you forgot to mention Lunar 2, Valkyrie Profile, Breath of Fire IV (a series that needs more fans), and Skies of Arcadia. Contrary to popular belief on GIA, there are RPGs outside of your beloved Squaresoft and the "almighty" PlayStation. I'm just here to say that it would be stupid for any true RPGer to buy the PS2 and all that online FF crap for 300 big ones, than to lay down $200 for a Dreamcast and a top-quality game like PSO, Grandia II, or Skies of Arcadia. I wish the fans of our genre will at least take a look outside their Squaresoft fanboy realms.

-XenoFreak (Note: Xenogears is the only Square RPG with animé and voice acting)

I don't recall talking down any of those games - on the contrary, I set up this column so people could talk about non-Square games. Grandia 2 does look excellent, but at this point that's all that can be said about it, since it's only been previewed thus far. However, you're probably right that the Dreamcast (and the Saturn before it) would probably be viewed as much stronger platforms without Squaresoft on the PSX. I know my Dreamcast is probably going to get a workout this winter, between the last gasp of the Playstation and the US release of some of Square's PS2 games.

We may have a winner
Greets,

You asked for it, perhaps I'm 'the first'? My first Rpg was Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Cloudy Mountain, a quaint dungeon crawler for the Intellivision. Anyone else remember this? It was ahead of its time, with random dungeons, enemies, & map layouts. After that it wasn't until the NES port of Wizardry, Zelda, & Final Fantasy until I encountered RPGs again.

No Square for an imaginary summer, [year?], I'd be playing Rhapsody (like I am now), and finally getting around to playing Thousand Arms, Grandia, & Albert Odyssey.

Cheers,
Alanna Evans

Well, you've got about as good a claim to first female RPGer as could be hoped. There may be someone else out there who played Ultima I on the Apple II, but as far as I'm concerned, you've come out on top. Hell, not only are you likely one of the first woman RPG players, but one of the first period. I myself remember the Intellivision, but never played an RPG until the NES. Good job.

Desperation
First off, did you happen to see Steve Earl on Conan O' Brien last week? Now to more important matters at hand. If Square didn't exist this here, I would be in a rather sorry, lonesome state of being, considering how much joy Vagrant Story has brought me these past few months. I probably would of ended up buying a Dreamcast, awaiting the releases of Eternal Arcadia and Grandia 2 like so many other Sega fans. By the time RPG Maker comes out, I would of scribbled down thousands of ideas for my own games to create, desperate for anything that involved rpgs, while being forced to play games like Koudelka, Wild Arms 2, and *heaven forbid*, Legend of Dragoon, for the fact that there wasn't anything much else on the market to buy or me interested in. Sorry, looong, run-on sentence, but I think I made my point. I kinda admire those people who can get through life easily without playing a Square game. Then I sit down and relive something like Xenogears, and feel pity for them instead. That's life..

-The Wayfarer

Didn't catch Steve, hope he did well. But given that he was probably promoting Transcendental Blues, he probably didn't come off as well as he could have, because that album is somewhat low on stand-up rockers. If you can, track down a live performance of "Copperhead Road" or his cover of the Stones' "Dead Flowers". Great stuff.

Let me suggest an alternate scenario - maybe instead of playing RPGs you don't seem too wild about (tho I personally thought WA2 and Koudelka looked worthy) perhaps you would have started to explore... other genres! Gasp!

I think as a rule RPG fans tend to favor one flavor of games to the exclusion of others, mostly out of necessity. I'm sure there are exceptions, but by and large keeping on top of RPGs doesn't leave a lot of time for anything else, the occasional Zelda or Mario game aside. This is just a fact of life, but there are a lot of games I look at occasionally and think "if only..." Perfect Dark and Space Channel 5 among them. Of course, you may be a fan of RPGs and only RPGs, but there are other things out there. Ironically enough, sometimes I think Square may be hurting gaming as a whole, even as it does great things for RPGs, by locking people in to one favored type of game.

Brief, but accurate
No Square = more money for computer rpgs (Icewind Dale, Baldur's Gate). l33t arpigeez.

PC RPGs and console RPGs are different enough in their approaches and goals to make a lot of crossover appeal unlikely, but it's not impossible that people would be playing Diablo II rather than Chrono Cross. Now if you could just learn to spell...

The Saudis prove themselves truly civilized - they play games
Long time no see, Chris.

Everyone plays RPGs in Saudi Arabia. Strangely, RPGs and fighters seem to be the most popular genres in the Arabian Gulf. When I was there (1991-1994), I would go down to the local video game rental place and pick up titles like FFIIe, Unchartered Waters, Inindo, Nobunaga's Ambition, Soul Blazer, etc. And it wasn't like I was the first. A huge group of us were RPG freaks (a kid by the name of Erin seemed to prefer FFI to the DW series, a fact that befuddled me tremendously). And it wasn't just us "foreigners" -- a heck of a lot of Saudis played the games, too. Heck, there were hacked NES and SNES RPGs in Arabic (many that the US never got). Pretty impressive, no?

And those jokes... too sad. Ugh.

Addressing the topic you left us with, what I would buy in 2K given Square mysteriously had vanished (perhaps due to Y2K bugs?) would be little different that what I'm planning to buy anyway. Okay, I'm picking up CC, but that's it, Square wise. I'm pumped for Grandia II, Skies of Arcadia, and Shen Mue (alright, it's not really an RPG). Grandia II, judging from The GIA's hands-on report, should rock, and Skies of Arcadia just looks like it will feel "right". I've already picked up Resident Evil Code: Veronica (as if you couldn't tell by the first line of this message), and that's not an RPG either, but it is a game The GIA covers, and one I enjoy playing tremendously. I'm afraid I didn't care much for Vagrant Story anyway, and I'm waiting for a PC version of FFIX (having sold my PSX, the only PlayStation game I'm buying from now until the final Bleemcast release is going to be Chrono Cross) which probably won't make it out this year. This may be the year of Square, but there's plenty more to choose from.

Okay... I'm pro'lly over limit. =)

--Imad "magius" Hussian
http://staffofmagius.cjb.net/

Cool info on the Middle East, but not a lot of it surprising. The fact is, there's likely games anywhere there's electricity, and even where there's no power, some missionary's kid has probably hooked his Gameboy to the the family diesel generator.

I think we're starting to see a pattern as to the preferred RPG system once Square is taken out of the picture. And the Dreamcast could yet be a strong RPG system - arguably it's got more and better stuff in the pipeline than the PS2. I'm gonna be very interested in what a world without a strong Sony RPG platform looks like, come 2001.

What will you do? What will you do?
C.,

Heartfelt sympathy at the loss of your dad. I lost my grandpappy a couple years ago, damn it still hurts.

Anyway, NO SQUARE AT ALL?!?!?!? Maybe Square would just change their name to Round, and avoid the whole problem. Of course, DQ/W VII would top the list of things to take my money/time/life away. But I wonder if I wouldn't just crawl up in a ball and die first. (I mean, after wanting a sequel to CT for soooooo long then it not being released would kill me.) All I would have to look forward to is the great farm in the sky (if you believe in that sort of thing). Unless other RPG companies can step up the output of quality games (anything but more Beyond the Beyond, I still have nightmares). And that brings me to a point, where are all the quality RPGs from other companies? Does anyone know? I sure don't. Sure Evolution 2 looks nice, but I have a PlaySation. Maybe there are tons of RPGs in development I don't know about, but pretty much every recent RPG that has enjoyed any success at all has been from Square. Can anyone tell me of a game from a company other than that has enjoyed commercial success in recent history (preorders for DQ/W VII don't count). is Square the sole source of our addiction? I certainly hope not. Maybe someone will step up. The lack of games is getting appalling.

*sighs* Them durn games ain't a coming out the wazoo that's fer shure!

Rayeth

-The country kid who knows he shure did spell wrong-

It can't really be argued that Square's the only producer of quality RPG games out there, but for the US they're clearly dominant. This is good because we have at least one real pro out there when it comes to producing great titles, and other companies push themselves harder to follow Square's example. But at the same time, it must be somewhat stifling to have one company dominate so completely, no matter how good their games are. As much as anything, I have to wonder if some DQ fans aren't simply trying to break away from Square's hegemony.

It'd be a simpler kind of life
Chris-Chris-The-Dancing-Machine,

Hmm, if Square didn't exist, I'd personally hire all of the Square employees, found Circlesoft, and put together FF6-9. I'd make a fourtune.

-- Shawn K.

P.S I would hire Billy Corgan to help on the soundtracks, no doubt.

You wouldn't know Square existed if it didn't exist, so you wouldn't know to hire anyone. However, anyone who put Billy Corgan and No Doubt (did I read that right? probably not, but I'm going with it anyway) to work on game music would undoubtedly make millions. I salute your thinking, sir.

Closing Comments:

I'd like to take a moment to thank everyone who sent in a letter about my dad. I'm trying to get back to my normal routine at the moment, but it's nice to know other people understand and care about what happened.

As I figured, today's topic segues well into another question - what does it mean for Square to rule the PSX so completely? Even if you don't like Square, you have to admit that their games often look and sound far superior to their competitors. And although gameplay is a fairly subjective thing, I find it telling that supporters of non-Square RPGs often praise games for how un-innovative ("traditional, old school") they are. So why has no one come forth to challenge the Square juggernaut at their level? Why is it that (formerly) puny Square is pushing grand schemes like Play Online and the all-CG FF Movie, while other gaming giants like Konami do not? And most importantly, do the benefits of the great games Square produces make up for them dominating the RPG market to the near exclusion of other players?

I'm interested in hearing what you've got to say, I think this could be very enlightening. So drop me a line, and we'll talk more tomorrow. Later.

-Chris Jones, living in fear of a Square planet

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