DNUO RSID LROW EHT - July 25, 2000 - Chris Jones Disclaimer: The opinions expressed within this column are those of the
participants and the moderator, and do not necessarily reflect those of the GIA. There is
coarse language and potentially offensive material afoot. Would it have been too much to
ask for that to come out to an even sixteen letters? Of course it would have. Don't say we
didn't warn you.
If there were any doubts that Square is the proverbial 800 pound gorilla of the RPG
world, those doubts have been quashed by this column, because apparently we can't even
discuss the absence of Square without constantly mentioning the company. There's one heck
of a topic hidden in there, but right now I'd like to take a look at an alternate reality,
one where the last great RPG released in the US came from Konami, and Enix was still the
unquestioned master of the genre.
Onward.
Triumph of the neglected |
Hey Chris, In the mythical land of no-Square there are a couple of
worthy titles that might actually receive the respect they deserve. Think of it, how many
good games were overlooked en masse simply because the FF games were also available at the
time? Square or no Square, Breath of Fire IV and Lunar: Eternal Blue are at the top of my
to-get list. Breath of Fire III was my first RPG -I know, I just confessed my RPG
newbie-ness, but I lived in South Africa, so give me a break- and I thought that it was
excellent. Sure the desert sequence near the end of the game is a tad tedious, but the
story, gameplay and characters were fun. From what I`ve seen BoFIV looks stunning, and
import reviews indicate that it also plays well.
Also, in no-Square I`d have a car thanks to all that extra money I`d have lying around.
Alex |
I like this letter because it smacked me upside the head with the fact that there are
several quality RPG series I've never touched because they weren't from that Polygon
company. I knew BoF 1 was a Capcom game, and since I'd never played one of their RPGs I
gave it a miss. Having skipped the first game, I never felt the urge to get into the rest
of the series, leaving me ambivalent about the PSX releases of III and IV. But from what
I've heard I'm the one who's missing out.
Furthermore, wouldn't the absence of Square imply that other companies would have had
room to maneuver more in the RPG genre? Capcom and Konami have both shown themselves to be
excellent producers of a wide spectrum of games - perhaps BoF and Suikoden would have
garnered as much respect as Street Fighter or Castlevania. It's true that FF did go a long
way to opening up the US RPG market, but perhaps someone else like Enix might have stepped
in instead. Sorry, Alex, but I think your car money might have been spent on games
regardless.
Rage against the DA |
Yet again, something a double agent says on this site has angered me.
While CC and VS are great games, you are ignoring some of the best RPGs coming out this
year!!! I'd take Grandia II over Vagrant Story or Final Fantasy IX any day of the week.
Also, you forgot to mention Lunar 2, Valkyrie Profile, Breath of Fire IV (a series that
needs more fans), and Skies of Arcadia. Contrary to popular belief on GIA, there are RPGs
outside of your beloved Squaresoft and the "almighty" PlayStation. I'm just here
to say that it would be stupid for any true RPGer to buy the PS2 and all that online FF
crap for 300 big ones, than to lay down $200 for a Dreamcast and a top-quality game like
PSO, Grandia II, or Skies of Arcadia. I wish the fans of our genre will at least take a
look outside their Squaresoft fanboy realms. -XenoFreak (Note: Xenogears is the only
Square RPG with animé and voice acting) |
I don't recall talking down any of those games - on the contrary, I set up this column
so people could talk about non-Square games. Grandia 2 does look excellent, but at this
point that's all that can be said about it, since it's only been previewed thus far.
However, you're probably right that the Dreamcast (and the Saturn before it) would
probably be viewed as much stronger platforms without Squaresoft on the PSX. I know my
Dreamcast is probably going to get a workout this winter, between the last gasp of the
Playstation and the US release of some of Square's PS2 games.
We may have a winner |
Greets, You asked for it, perhaps I'm 'the first'? My first Rpg was
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons: Cloudy Mountain, a quaint dungeon crawler for the
Intellivision. Anyone else remember this? It was ahead of its time, with random dungeons,
enemies, & map layouts. After that it wasn't until the NES port of Wizardry, Zelda,
& Final Fantasy until I encountered RPGs again.
No Square for an imaginary summer, [year?], I'd be playing Rhapsody (like I am now),
and finally getting around to playing Thousand Arms, Grandia, & Albert Odyssey.
Cheers,
Alanna Evans |
Well, you've got about as good a claim to first female RPGer as could be hoped. There
may be someone else out there who played Ultima I on the Apple II, but as far as I'm
concerned, you've come out on top. Hell, not only are you likely one of the first woman
RPG players, but one of the first period. I myself remember the Intellivision, but never
played an RPG until the NES. Good job.
Desperation |
First off, did you happen to see Steve Earl on Conan O' Brien last week?
Now to more important matters at hand. If Square didn't exist this here, I would be in a
rather sorry, lonesome state of being, considering how much joy Vagrant Story has brought
me these past few months. I probably would of ended up buying a Dreamcast, awaiting the
releases of Eternal Arcadia and Grandia 2 like so many other Sega fans. By the time RPG
Maker comes out, I would of scribbled down thousands of ideas for my own games to create,
desperate for anything that involved rpgs, while being forced to play games like Koudelka,
Wild Arms 2, and *heaven forbid*, Legend of Dragoon, for the fact that there wasn't
anything much else on the market to buy or me interested in. Sorry, looong, run-on
sentence, but I think I made my point. I kinda admire those people who can get through
life easily without playing a Square game. Then I sit down and relive something like
Xenogears, and feel pity for them instead. That's life.. -The Wayfarer |
Didn't catch Steve, hope he did well. But given that he was probably promoting
Transcendental Blues, he probably didn't come off as well as he could have, because that
album is somewhat low on stand-up rockers. If you can, track down a live performance of
"Copperhead Road" or his cover of the Stones' "Dead Flowers". Great
stuff.
Let me suggest an alternate scenario - maybe instead of playing RPGs you don't seem too
wild about (tho I personally thought WA2 and Koudelka looked worthy) perhaps you would
have started to explore... other genres! Gasp!
I think as a rule RPG fans tend to favor one flavor of games to the exclusion of
others, mostly out of necessity. I'm sure there are exceptions, but by and large keeping
on top of RPGs doesn't leave a lot of time for anything else, the occasional Zelda or
Mario game aside. This is just a fact of life, but there are a lot of games I look at
occasionally and think "if only..." Perfect Dark and Space Channel 5 among them.
Of course, you may be a fan of RPGs and only RPGs, but there are other things out there.
Ironically enough, sometimes I think Square may be hurting gaming as a whole, even as it
does great things for RPGs, by locking people in to one favored type of game.
Brief, but accurate |
No Square = more money for computer rpgs (Icewind Dale, Baldur's Gate).
l33t arpigeez. |
PC RPGs and console RPGs are different enough in their approaches and goals to make a
lot of crossover appeal unlikely, but it's not impossible that people would be playing
Diablo II rather than Chrono Cross. Now if you could just learn to spell...
The Saudis prove themselves truly civilized -
they play games |
Long time no see, Chris. Everyone plays RPGs in Saudi Arabia.
Strangely, RPGs and fighters seem to be the most popular genres in the Arabian Gulf. When
I was there (1991-1994), I would go down to the local video game rental place and pick up
titles like FFIIe, Unchartered Waters, Inindo, Nobunaga's Ambition, Soul Blazer, etc. And
it wasn't like I was the first. A huge group of us were RPG freaks (a kid by the name of
Erin seemed to prefer FFI to the DW series, a fact that befuddled me tremendously). And it
wasn't just us "foreigners" -- a heck of a lot of Saudis played the games, too.
Heck, there were hacked NES and SNES RPGs in Arabic (many that the US never got). Pretty
impressive, no?
And those jokes... too sad. Ugh.
Addressing the topic you left us with, what I would buy in 2K given Square mysteriously
had vanished (perhaps due to Y2K bugs?) would be little different that what I'm planning
to buy anyway. Okay, I'm picking up CC, but that's it, Square wise. I'm pumped for Grandia
II, Skies of Arcadia, and Shen Mue (alright, it's not really an RPG). Grandia II, judging
from The GIA's hands-on report, should rock, and Skies of Arcadia just looks like it will
feel "right". I've already picked up Resident Evil Code: Veronica (as if you
couldn't tell by the first line of this message), and that's not an RPG either, but it is
a game The GIA covers, and one I enjoy playing tremendously. I'm afraid I didn't care much
for Vagrant Story anyway, and I'm waiting for a PC version of FFIX (having sold my PSX,
the only PlayStation game I'm buying from now until the final Bleemcast release is going
to be Chrono Cross) which probably won't make it out this year. This may be the year of
Square, but there's plenty more to choose from.
Okay... I'm pro'lly over limit. =)
--Imad "magius" Hussian
http://staffofmagius.cjb.net/ |
Cool info on the Middle East, but not a lot of it surprising. The fact is, there's
likely games anywhere there's electricity, and even where there's no power, some
missionary's kid has probably hooked his Gameboy to the the family diesel generator.
I think we're starting to see a pattern as to the preferred RPG system once Square is
taken out of the picture. And the Dreamcast could yet be a strong RPG system - arguably
it's got more and better stuff in the pipeline than the PS2. I'm gonna be very interested
in what a world without a strong Sony RPG platform looks like, come 2001.
What will you do? What will you do? |
C., Heartfelt sympathy at the loss of your dad. I lost my grandpappy a
couple years ago, damn it still hurts.
Anyway, NO SQUARE AT ALL?!?!?!? Maybe Square would just change their name to Round, and
avoid the whole problem. Of course, DQ/W VII would top the list of things to take my
money/time/life away. But I wonder if I wouldn't just crawl up in a ball and die first. (I
mean, after wanting a sequel to CT for soooooo long then it not being released would kill
me.) All I would have to look forward to is the great farm in the sky (if you believe in
that sort of thing). Unless other RPG companies can step up the output of quality games
(anything but more Beyond the Beyond, I still have nightmares). And that brings me to a
point, where are all the quality RPGs from other companies? Does anyone know? I sure
don't. Sure Evolution 2 looks nice, but I have a PlaySation. Maybe there are tons of RPGs
in development I don't know about, but pretty much every recent RPG that has enjoyed any
success at all has been from Square. Can anyone tell me of a game from a company other
than that has enjoyed commercial success in recent history (preorders for DQ/W VII don't
count). is Square the sole source of our addiction? I certainly hope not. Maybe someone
will step up. The lack of games is getting appalling.
*sighs* Them durn games ain't a coming out the wazoo that's fer shure!
Rayeth
-The country kid who knows he shure did spell wrong- |
It can't really be argued that Square's the only producer of quality RPG games out
there, but for the US they're clearly dominant. This is good because we have at least one
real pro out there when it comes to producing great titles, and other companies push
themselves harder to follow Square's example. But at the same time, it must be somewhat
stifling to have one company dominate so completely, no matter how good their games are.
As much as anything, I have to wonder if some DQ fans aren't simply trying to break away
from Square's hegemony.
It'd be a simpler kind of life |
Chris-Chris-The-Dancing-Machine, Hmm, if Square didn't exist, I'd
personally hire all of the Square employees, found Circlesoft, and put together FF6-9. I'd
make a fourtune.
-- Shawn K.
P.S I would hire Billy Corgan to help on the soundtracks, no doubt. |
You wouldn't know Square existed if it didn't exist, so you wouldn't know to hire
anyone. However, anyone who put Billy Corgan and No Doubt (did I read that right? probably
not, but I'm going with it anyway) to work on game music would undoubtedly make millions.
I salute your thinking, sir.
Closing Comments:
I'd like to take a moment to thank everyone who sent in a letter about my dad. I'm trying to get back to my normal routine at the moment, but it's nice to know other people understand and care about what happened.
As I figured, today's topic segues well into another question - what does it mean for
Square to rule the PSX so completely? Even if you don't like Square, you have to admit
that their games often look and sound far superior to their competitors. And although
gameplay is a fairly subjective thing, I find it telling that supporters of non-Square
RPGs often praise games for how un-innovative ("traditional, old
school") they are. So why has no one come forth to challenge the Square juggernaut at
their level? Why is it that (formerly) puny Square is pushing grand schemes like Play
Online and the all-CG FF Movie, while other gaming giants like Konami do not? And most
importantly, do the benefits of the great games Square produces make up for them
dominating the RPG market to the near exclusion of other players?
I'm interested in hearing what you've got to say, I think this could be very
enlightening. So drop me a line, and we'll talk more tomorrow. Later.
-Chris Jones, living in fear of a Square planet |
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